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One of the things I've been musing over lately is that I think "traditional sexual ethic" is rather misleading. I'm not sure what issues you see with the term, but my own perspective is that we are radically separated from a "biblical" perspective on sex. We do not come to the questions of sex with anywhere near the same set of assumptions that the ancient romans or near-eastern people did. (This is also why I've found myself increasingly in between A and B; I don't know what the answers are currently, and that seems likely to continue for awhile.)

Point 4 needs to be shouted from the rooftops—all four subpoints.

To answer a few of the questions in one fell swoop: I think the most pressing thing I see is to challenge our cultural assumptions about what same-sex love has to be, especially (though, not exclusively) in non-sexual forms. It sort of infuriates me sometimes how difficult it can be to communicate just how deeply and romantically men have loved other men in the past, without sex being involved. I feel like I have to fight a war of two fronts a lot—on the one hand, fighting to show that gay people have always been around, because whitewashing absolutely is a thing, on the other fighting against the modern, western impulse to sexualize (which is not the same as romanticize!) all intimate relationships. I've given a talk on singleness before, which I'd be happy to DM you the video recording of if you like, and I'll be giving another one on friendship in the fall.

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My sense is that most side-b people see side-b as being in conversation/contrast with both side-a and side-x. I think the difference is just which one you see as being more significant (either in the sense of being more problematic theologically, or in the sense of being more prominent in the spaces they find themselves in). In the early days when side-x was a lot more prominent than it is now, and when many people who came to a side-b position were coming out of side-x, it was much more in conversation with side-x. And yet a defining feature of side-b has always been in conversation/contrast to side-a, because the question will always end up being "why are you side-b rather than side-a?". I expect this aspect of it is growing in prominence as side-a grows in prominence in the church and side-x continues to diminish. When I first came out to myself I never considered side-x, cus I was well aware of the harms of sexual orientation change efforts and how it just doesn't really work most of the time. So obviously, not wanting to be side-x was relevant from the start, but I guess what was on some level more relevant to me was trying to decide whether I was going to come to a side-a or a side-b perspective, and in the sort of spaces I find myself, what's more distinctive is that I'm not side-a, and not that I'm not side-x.

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